My Journey Into The Sanskrit Texts

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V. Susan Ferguson, Contributor
Waking Times

I have always been drawn to India, her beauty and wisdom, and especially the Bhagavad Gita. Over the years of my life I would try again and again the read the Bhagavad Gita, only to realize that I simply did not understand it. Since 2002, I began an ongoing serious study of various translations of not only the Bhagavad Gita, but of the wonderful Mahabharata (which contains the Bhagavad Gita), the Upanishads, texts on Samkhya, many of the Kashmir Shaivite Sanskrit texts, a few Samhitas, and lastly the Rig Veda (said to be the source of all the others).

Thanks primarily to Exotic India Arts online, I was able to get 100s of translations of the sacred texts and scholarly books, the majority of which were authored by Indians, which deepened and expanded my understanding. I have said smiling to friends that at long last I had understood the Bhagavad Gita, but to do so I had to read 500 other books!

The Sanskrit texts are a vast ocean reflecting the wisdom knowledge of 100s of enlightened masters over 1000s of years, when India was made up of diverse kingdoms. There is no such thing as Hinduism. The term Hinduism was created only in recent history by foreigners:

“The Sanskrit name for the Indus River is ‘Sindhu’ and with the coming of Arabic speakers to India around 1000 CE the term ‘hindu’ first appeared. Arabic speakers pronounced ‘sindhu’ as ‘hindu’ and used the word to refer to those living on the other side of the Indus River. Consequently, the term was originally a geographical reference that included many peoples. As late as the 16th century the term even referred to Muslims living within India because they too lived beyond the Indus. By the end of the 18th century, however, the British were using the term to refer to the people of India who were not Christian, Muslim, Sikh or Jain. The ‘ism’ was added early in the 19th century. Later the word was appropriated by ‘Hindus’ themselves as part of their national and religious identity; and so today the term has evolved as the name for the religion of the Vedas. The more correct Sanskrit term for this religion is, sanatana-dharma, ‘the eternal way’, but since the term ‘hinduism’ has emerged, we will use this word.” [sanskrit.org]

SANATANA DHARMA

There is no word for religion in Sanskrit. Hinduism is not a religion. It is an Inquiry. We in the west use our word ‘religion’ and apply it to India, but they do not. There is no word for religion in Sanskrit – none. They use the Sanskrit term: SANATANA DHARMA, meaning:

“the spiritual laws that govern the human existence. Sanatana Dharma is to human life what natural laws are to the physical phenomena.  Just as the phenomena of gravitation existed before it was discovered, the spiritual laws of life are eternal laws which existed before they were discovered by the ancient Rishis (sages) for the present age during the Vedic period.” [sanatana-dharma.tripod.com]

What has come to be termed Hinduism is actually a process of Inquiry, with varying ‘approaches’ to the One that permeates All. Anyone who begins to study this vast body of knowledge is bound to feel a little overwhelmed. There are so many texts, for example there are 200 Upanishads, of which 13 are considered to be core teachings. Then there are the many various schools of thought that have interpreted the basic texts to reflect the lens of their particular school. Many more Sanskrit texts have yet to be translated and in India, Sanskrit scholars are endeavouring to do so.

What we in the west initially knew of the Sanskrit texts was wrongly presented primarily by scholars who were employed by the British Raj through the East India Tea Company for the explicit purpose of making Indians doubt their own faith. Most Indians could not and still cannot read Sanskrit, and thus remain dependent on their local priest for understanding them. Some of these paid western scholars later apologized for this egregious propaganda, but the damage was done and still lingers toxic in the air.

Most horribly misleading are the early translations of the Rig Veda, which make the sacred verses in the Rig Veda appear to be the work of a primitive people who worship cows and make sacrifices to idols. Even a cursory look at Indian culture will make it clear that ancient India was anything but primitive. When I read my first translation, I was appalled! I instinctively knew that the translation could not be right. The Rig Veda was the source of the most subtle and brilliant metaphysics on the planet – and the key to liberation from Samsara. So how could mere ‘cow’ worshipping lead to that?

Later I found that the Sanskrit word for cow GAU had over 27 meanings including: ray of light, sunlight, light, perception, the sense organs, knowledge, wisdom, the soul, consciousness, the Earth, the sky, a singer, a song, substance, and herds of stars. As I slowly began to teach myself Sanskrit, I came to understand that the words that make up the verses had multiple layers of meanings. The ability to perceive these meanings is dependent on the level of consciousness and wisdom of the one reading and translating.

The Sanskrit used in the Rig Veda is not the Sanskrit of the latter texts, and translations of the Rig Veda are wildly diverse. One cannot help but be astonished at the unrelated meanings that have been forced out of these sacred ancient verses. Indian scholars themselves admit this and have said that to date, there is no agreement on the meaning of the Rig Veda. What to think? The Rig Veda is the source of all the other sacred Sanskrit texts and yet either it cannot be translated in English (which is a very limited language of commerce), or they don’t know what it means.

According to sage Sanskrit scholars, even in ancient times the Rishis and enlightened masters knew that as we descended down into the Kali Yuga, the real meaning of the Rig Veda was being lost. Thus these great ones composed the Upanishads and other Sanskrit texts to serve as bridges of knowledge into our current dark era. The Mahabharata was also a massive repository of all that had come before it and the Bhagavad Gita, which is a small part of the Mahabharata, is the essence, the jewel-like distillation of the wisdom knowledge in all the other previous Sanskrit texts, and so brilliantly conceived and written that it is India’s trusted refuge.

These texts were not intended to be ‘quick or easy’ reads. They are meant to generate a depth of concentration that will allow the sincere ones to open their hearts and approach the God-within. They are doors to enlightenment. For the message of the sacred Sanskrit texts is simple: There is only the One. Beneath the manifested multiplicity, perceived via the endlessly differentiating five senses, is Oneness. Everything is the One! The immeasurable imperishable immutable Oneness created all these universes to play in — and Veiled Itself as you and me, and every other living creature, in order to experience ITs infinite Self through the ‘appearance’ of limitation. We are That ONE!

Our daunting arduous task is how to get from the consciousness of being Veiled in the Illusion of Separation, imagining that we are the small ego-self – to remembering that we are the One playing in Time & Space. It is not so easy to undo what God has done! It was not intended to be easy. The Sanskrit texts contain exquisitely subtle metaphysics and whisper their liberating MOKSHA secrets to us through the voices of the ancient Rishis, who had indeed Become the One.

About the Author

V. Susan Ferguson is the author of Inanna Returns, Inanna Hyper-Luminal; her own commentary on the Bhagavad Gita and the Shiva Sutras; and Colony Earth & the Rig Veda. Her website is Metaphysical Musing.

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  1. Judy says:

    I was wondering if you could recommened to a beginner as to which book is a good starting point to study this.
    Thank you

    • I believe that you are asking about a book concerning the metaphysical wisdom in the Sanskrit texts. If this is so then I suggest that you read the Bhagavad Gita itself, which is a brilliant synthesis and essence of all the previous texts. I highly recommend the J.A.B. van Buitenen translation for a first read:

      * The Bhagavadgita in the Mahabharata, A Bilingual Edition, Translated & Edited by J.A.B. van Buitenen; The University of Chicago Press, 1981
      J.A.B. van Buitenen’s translation has an illuminating clarity and is excellent for a first time read, especially for readers with a western background. The transliteration is on the left-page side and the English on the right. There is also an in depth scholarly introduction and many useful footnotes.

      My website Metaphysical Musing, linked above, has my own commentary on the Bhagavad Gita and many introductory articles which may help you.

      If your question relates to Sanskrit itself, then you may find “The Language of the Gods” by Judith Tyberg (available at amazon) both useful and enchanting.

      If you have another specific question, I will be happy to reply.

    • Espion says:

      try Etymology………..the whole of history at your disposal, and then let the symbols speak, even if you Know not what they say?

  2. Meter says:

    Thanks for sharing your interesting journey. In every part of the world, indigenous knowledge was wiped out and distorted. Much like trimming a plant to ensure it never flowers, humanity’s knowledge is constantly and artificially trimmed and distorted by some force throughout history. This is often cloaked in economic and social changes, but is clearly engineered for its spiritual impact, to enslave.

    On a personal level, life is always talking to us, bringing us the same knowledge in new ways. So there is no worry that something essential is lost. A teacher like Eckhart Tolle is a good example – his teaching is timeless and sublime.

    Yet large groups of humans are generally unable to evolve due to the way they are broken apart, and their traditions ransacked just before fruition. Language is also limited in ways that make it hard to discuss spirituality.

    I think you would be a good person to write a readable, common-sense summary of these texts given your experience with them. I would encourage you to avoid academic arguments and debate and just give your basic understandings.

    Such summaries are valuable because most in the academic world can’t handle the subject matter intelligently, and most people are not going to go the lengths you did to read them for themselves.

    • Thank you for your comments, Meter.
      Yes, I agree with everything you have said especially about indigenous knowledge being destroyed to cut humanity off from our innate states of consciousness and higher wisdom. The cultures that produced the Sanskrit texts were highly advanced. Sanskrit is said the be the most perfect language and is now being used to further develop sophisticated computer languages. The ancient Kingdoms within the Indian continent and Kashmir had established traditions of great literature, art, music, philosophy, and sciences.

      Quantum physics emerged out of the Vedas: The Austrian physicist Erwin Schrodinger – of Schrodinger’s Cat fame – ‘devised the wave equation every quantum system must obey’ and represented ‘quantum stuff as a waveform’ [Nick Herbert]. Profoundly influenced by Vedic thought, Schrodinger kept copies of the Sanskrit texts by his bed – the Bhagavad Gita and Upanishads. Increasingly studies are being published documenting science and advanced technologies in the Vedas.

      Ideas found in today’s string theory are connected Vedic thought. Quoted from M.Anant Bhakta’s Vedic String Theory: “Mind-space (Chidakasha) … mind space is a mirrior-image of the macrocosm. … Imagery of Foam and Bubbles … often used in the Vedic literature while describing the clusters of universes that are being created and dissolved in the cosmos. … Quantum electrodynamics holds the view that all-pervading vacuum continuously spawns particles and waves that spontaneously pop into and out of existence on an unimaginably short time scale. This flux of particles is frequently referred to as ‘quantum foam’ which is believed to extend throughout the universe.”

      The Mahabharata and the Puranas often speak of VIMANAS [literal 'measuring space'], aerial ships and radiation weaponry. My own research and translations has revealed evidence of advanced ‘space age’ technologies in the Rig Veda. [See COLONY EARTH & the RIG VEDA on my website].

      I sincerely thank you for your kind suggestion and I hope that my website is, as you say “a readable, common-sense summary of these texts given your experience with them.” I agree that “most in the academic world can’t handle the subject matter,” because it is not enough to learn Sanskrit. Liberation [MOKSHA] from the temporal illusory holographic universe that unfolds in the study of higher metaphysics must be experienced and this is the reason that so many gurus who have come to the west have fallen – and why without the benefit of the required discipline of traditional training in the ancient schools of primordial wisdom, much of what is taught by well-meaning channels is only partial confused truth.

      I have written extensively on my website, Metaphysical Musing, and offered my heart-felt studies for free to all, because I knew that “most people are not going to go the lengths you did to read them for themselves” and it was a privilege for me to be able to do this. I have lived all over this planet, but I grew up in Texas and spent 20 years in NYC, so I hope I speak plainly to all. I am not a scholar and what I have learned in my 67 years has come slowly, arduously, with pain and many set-backs – but I desperately wanted to know, and if in the process that can be of service to others, then I am blessed.

  3. mothman777@gmail.com says:

    But we are not one, and the Bhagavad Gita states this very clearly; “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (Bhagavad-gita 2.12).

    Lord Shiva is the greatest of the devotees of Lord Krishna, actually being Lord Krishna Himself manifest in a discreet form as a material demigod who is showing how to be devoted to Himself.

    The vaishnava swami Srila Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada taught how Shankaracharya wished his disciples would be less foolish, as they continually erred in feeling towards actually desiring to merge within Lord Shiva, (a form of advaitism) rather than truly do what Lord Shiva himself was actually demonstrating, which is devotion to the Supreme Lord Krishna, Lord Shiva being being one of the twelve mahajanas, or ‘great knowers’ of the path of devotion to the Supreme Lord Krishna.

    The subject is actually far more satisfying when you begin to discover more of your own eternal qualities that make being an eternal individual actually pleasing, and only in the transcendental light of Lord Krishna, who besides being our Lord God, is also our communal Higher Self, are our eternal forms and natures revealed to us too, just as when the sun shines, our material eyes are able to perceive our temporal material coverings in the form of these human bodily vehicles.

    Only Lord Krishna has the quality of being able to manifest the light that can facilitate our self-cognizance as eternal spiritual beings, and that is because He is the only soul whose spatial magnitude extends throughout all infinity.

    I know that the idea of a ‘Lord God’ is what puts people off Vaishnava philosophy of achintya bheda bheda tattva, but Lord Krishna enables His devotees to share a siddhi called sarshti in the spiritual world of Goloka, by which those devotees can share the same mystical potencies and degrees of pleasure that Lord Krishna Himself does, so there is no need for people to renounce God and aim to become ‘One’ in advaita, though Lord Krishna is so considerate that He provides the Brahman white light for people to merge into and forget their individuality should they wish, if they want to chill out for a while and forget about relationships with Krishna and other souls, and in that state of consciousness they get to have the perception of being infinite on a certain level, which is actually a lower spiritual level than they would actually experience if they remained focussed on maintaining individual relationships with Lord Krishna.

    • … the Bhagavad Gita states this very clearly; “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (Bhagavad-gita 2.12).”

      Beneath and within all multiplicity lies concealed the ONE.

      And actually in the Mahabharata, Krishna is a devotee of Shiva:

      Towards the end of the Mahabharata’s Great War, we learn that it was Krishna’s ‘propiations’ to Shiva that had caused Shiva to intervene and protect the Panchalas, led by the sons of Pandu – Arjuna, Yuddisthira, Bhima and the twins, the side of the family that Krishna supports. In other words, the war had gone favorably for Arjuna and his brothers thus far because of Shiva’s honoring and respecting Krishna’s acts of austerity.”

      http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/2011/siva1.htm

      mothman777,
      You are clearly ISKCON or some version of the same, which uses the Bhagavata Purana to completely misinterpret the liberating wisdom in the Bhagavad Gita. The tyrannical beliefs of ISKCON are in my view a Kali Yuga cult distortion of the great works of the Mahabharata’s poet author Krishna Dvaipayana Vyasa. The brilliant Indian scholar K.K. Nair, whose rather humorous pen name was Krishna Chaitanya, has shed some light on this confusion and distortion in his book “The Betrayal of Krishna” (currently out of print).

      For KK Nair the Bhagavata Purana is ‘very specifically a text of the Krishna cult.’

      ‘All the monumental work done by Vyasa in cleansing the conceptualization of Krishna of the accretions of low myth was undone by the Bhagavata and the Indian psyche has not been able to cleanse itself of the resulting confusion to this day.’

      Neither does KC/KK Nair think much of Uddhava’s Gita, which he feels is but ‘a grotesque caricature of the Gita in Vyasa’s poem.’ He points out that Uddhava is concerned with a mass of instructions for ritual adoration, whereas the Krishna in Vyasa’s Bhagavad Gita is content with a leaf or a flower offering.

      The stories of Krishna in the Bhagavata Purana are enchanting, lovely and mesmerizing. But the road to wisdom and freedom is narrow, the Razor’s Edge as it has often been called, and confusing emotionalism and sexual fantasy with subtle inner awakening is perilous indeed.

      KC/KK Nair reminds us we do not need palaces and garish wealth when real wealth is integrity and virtue. Hell is more often right here on earth when we realize our excessive appetites only lead us further down in consciousness. Our scholar suggests that the poet who wrote the Bhagavata Purana might have said ‘that Krishna went in for sex on a Gargantuan scale’ to get men to read the text so that he could then instruct them on salvation, perhaps a somewhat dubious rationale.

      In a ‘kindly last word’ he quotes a passage he obviously agrees with from Bhagavata Purana, III.29.22:

      Stupid and foolish is the life of the man who worships idols forgetting deity who indwells all things.

      http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/betray4.htm

    • I know that ISKCON and the followers of swami Srila Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada are not allowed to read any of the other translations of any of the Sanskrit texts. In fact they are only permitted to read what is approved for them. I doubt any have read the Mahabharata which contains the Bhagavad Gita – nor do they know the countless other translations of the Bhagavad Gita each of which reflects the school that published it.

      If ISKCON allowed their followers to read the actual texts and not merely the my-way-or-the-highway approved version, their members might have a wider vision of primordial metaphysical wisdom that has been around since the beginning of the universe – and long before the birth of swami Srila Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada. I will not mention the terrible allegations that have been raised against this group, but any of you can search these online.

      • mothman777@gmail.com says:

        What on earth are you talking about? I am not and never have been a member of ISKCON, and am not a member of any other math, and I read whatever I like. I simply found that Prabhupada’s and other Vaishnava guru’s explanations make better sense than the advaitist understandings of the Gita.

        And…, since several members of the GBC of ISKCON assassinated Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada by poisoning him with arsenic, which was actually inadvertently recorded on video, and stole ISKCON, and then perverted what Prabhupada had begun, and actually altered his commentaries to oppose their original meaning in several very important instances, who on earth would want to join ISKCON if they knew the real truth? Unfortunately the real truth of ISKCON being a hellish instrument of Kali Yuga is not immediately apparent to prospective devotee members, and the very naive are lured in to a nightmare. The very purpose of present-day ISKCON is to pretend to be Vaishnava and to destroy Vaishnavism, it’s leaders being participants in a NWO political plot, to destroy all religions except the Judaic religion, with 6 members of the 11 members of the original GBC, some of whom participated in the murder of Prabhupada, having been Jewish. Some present and past ISKCON leaders should be prosecuted, some for participation in several murders, including those of Prabhupada and Sulocena dasa, who exposed the murder of Prabhupada. ISKCON should be broken up in a court of law as it no longer serves it’s true purpose, but rather attempts to destroy it, or directorship passed over to followers of the original intentions of Prabhupada. I feel very sorry for all the sincere people who are conned into joining ISKCON, as they are all getting conned very badly indeed. I did not wish to bring up the sad issue of the politics of ISKCON, but rather wished to engage only in discussion of pure spiritual philosophy.

        I feel that even advaitists will find complete satisfaction in embracing the Vaishnava philosophy of achintya bheda bheda tattva, as even though it differs somewhat from the various advaitist philosophies, the potential of experiencing parity with Krishna exists in sharing all transcendentalist qualities with Him, through devotion to Him, knowing Him as the cosmic transcendental sun, the communal Higher Self, and best friend of all souls, in His eternal form and qualities as Krishna or Govinda. Why not take a ride in that direction too and see what satisfaction that gives?

        Similar to the phenomenon seen in cymatics, where different forms are seen manifesting whenever specific vibrations are sent through a medium, like a tray of sand, to produce the form of a Sri Yantra for instance, so the form of Krishna is actually the visible form of His consciousness in action, and His eternal forms are manifest differently according to which of His eternal activities are manifest, as are ours in that dimension, thus the form of Krishna, and the forms of His jiva expansions, which all of us are originally, together manifest a vast community of Krishna-like forms centred around Lord Krishna as the visible vibrational forms of our consciousness in the spiritual world.

        The ‘Krishna’ soul is actually not merely some limited human-like figure, but is also actually the very substance of all infinitude comprising all spiritual planets, and the spiritual sky in which they are situated, as well as the vastness of material space and all the material universes situated within it, the material space and universes also actually being substance of the soul that is Krishna, translated by the maya potency of Krishna to appear as mere material substance in the percept given to us by Him.

        One can still access original words by Prabhupada that were not twisted by the GBC after he was murdered. I read other words from other Vaishnava maths and am familiar with various advaitist translations and commentaries on the Gita.

        I hope you are not going to say that any person who believes in achintya bheda bheda tattva philosophy is totalitarian, as that would be diametrically opposed to the truth, since that philosophy holds that the Lord God and all other souls are simultaneously and inconceivably one being and different beings at the same time. That is so precisely because the individual jiva souls are totally dependent upon the light that Krishna is, for their own self-cognizance, just as we cannot see anything when our eyes are not exposed to any form of material light in this dimension, so it is in the spiritual dimension, and only the soul of the Being known as Krishna has the spatial magnitude to totally surround and exist within the heart of every soul throughout infinitude.

        In very rare instances, an individual jiva does in actuality merge as one with God, losing all individuality eternally, though most of the souls who desire to merge as one generally merge in the Brahman light, having that limited conception of the Supreme, and that is actually a situation where Krishna shares His infinite consciousness with them on a temporal basis in a partially realized state in a situation where they no longer have to think or act, or relate to any other soul, but enter that stage to chill out for as long as they wish, whenever they tire of individuality, but they can actually come back out of that state whenever they sense that they are not self-fulfilled to their fullest potential in the Brahman state, and Krishna dwelling eternally within them as their Father senses this, and takes them either to the Vaikuntha spiritual world as an individual, (Sach Khand is the Sikh name for that state of consciousness) or reincarnates them back in this world to pursue their material fantasies.

        These teachings are not the exclusive beliefs of Srila Prabhupada, nor are they the exclusive beliefs of ISKCON even before he was murdered.

        What do you think of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu?, as He taught exactly the same as what I have repeated here over 500 years ago; and the Goswamis who witnessed Him reveal Himself as Supreme Lord Radha Krishna combined, stated that He is the prophesied incarnation of the Golden Avatar of Krishna in this Kali Yuga, and the Sikh Guru, Nanak, who also incarnated as an enlightened jiva soul from the spiritual world on this earth at that time, agreed that the teachings of Krishna Chaitanya were valid, and that Sikhism and Vaishnavism were essentially the same teaching, with the living scripture Sri Guru Granth Sahib which I have read cover to cover, stating many times that the names of Krishna, Vishnu, Govinda, Gopala, etc., being various names of the same Supreme Soul in various manifestations), should always be chanted, and both Sikh and Vaishnava historians and poets record Chaitanya and Nanak as having danced and chanted the Hare Krishna maha mantra together, along with a great many other devotees, and the historical biographical book Sri Chaitanya Charitamrita, all about the life and teachings of that incarnation of Lord Krishna Chaitanya, also records many devotees visiting this planet from other planets, from all fourteen planetary systems in this universe, disguised as ordinary earth-dwelling human beings, to chant Hare Krishna with Lord Krishna Chaitanya at that time, and they all acknowledged Krishna as God, otherwise they would all have been chanting the name of Shiva instead of Krishna. Were these historians all mistaken in your view, and if you do feel that they were, on what evidence would you base that assertion?

        Now ISKCON is going along with the advaitist conclusion it seems, in claiming now that all souls originated in the impersonal Brahman light, which Prabhupada never taught, to scrub out any and all traces of individuality in people, all traces of individuality in their very eternal souls in fact, fitting in perfectly with the NWO agenda. In the highest spiritual dimension, ‘above’ the spiritual Brahman light plane (I appreciate fully that the Brahman light is perceived as extending throughout all of infinity from the perspective afforded by being merged within that plane of consciousness), individuality is not a burden or a limitation, but eternal transcendental intelligence, love, and beauty, so why the need to be rid of individuality?

        God, by which ever name you choose for Him, is held to dwell within the heart of all souls, like a thread upon which pearls are strung, so the idea you quoted; “Stupid and foolish is the life of the man who worships idols forgetting deity who indwells all things” cannot be applicable to me.

        I hope that nothing that I have written is being considered as tyrannical by you, as I thought I expressed very nicely how kind Krishna is, in sharing equality of His levels of pleasure and mystical potencies with all jiva souls with Him in the spiritual planet Goloka, and all the other spiritual planets in varying degrees as the jiva associates of Krishna there expand their spiritual consciousness.

        Lets forget the name of God for a moment, since God does not in fact have any name, but is known by descriptions of His attributes, thus seeming to have a ‘name’ after all.

        The Being that you wish to reattain oneness with, having had oneness with that being I presume in the past, according to advaitist philosophy, must have been one continuous unbroken infinite consciousness, as you yourself in fact, with no other being besides you in all infinity. To attain to complete oneness of all souls is the undoubted goal of advaitist philosophy, so it must follow that that goal is to recover an original state that once existed before.

        Does it not follow, that when you, with your infinite oneness, forget your own nature, as being one with all of infinity, then when you forget, all of infinity of soul substance that is one with you, must, in that same moment, also forget it’s own eternal self-nature, and fall as one also?

        It cannot be possible for one to become many, through forgetfullness, from a state of oneness in total awareness through all of infinity, thus I consider that the entire foundation of the philosophy of advaita is non-valid, as a sheer impossibility.

  4. At least we agree on ISKCON, but beyond that…
    I seem have have touched a rather sensitive nerve and have no wish to engage in further arguments with your beliefs. I gently suggest that at some point in your life you read some of the other translations of the Bhagavad Gita, for example the commentary by the Kashmir Shaivite Abhinavagupta. Boris Marjanovic has made a good translation, and more recently the Kashmir Shaivite version by Swami Lakshmanjoo has been published.

    In the Kali Yuga – “People prefer false ideas.”

    Symptoms of the Kali Yuga
    http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/symptoms.htm

  5. mothman777@gmail.com says:

    As I said, I have in fact read several advaitist commentaries on the Bhagavad Gita already, by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, by Paramahamsa Hariharananda (Kriya Yoga) and several others, though I remain unconvinced. When an advaitist swami who claims he merges in God in meditation comes out of meditation and has to enquire about the meaning of English words used by me in conversation with him, I seriously have to doubt their ability to correctly judge for themselves exactly what they are merging into, as whatever it is, it could not speak English.

    ‘Arguments’? ‘Sensitive nerve’? Very funny. You simply do not have anything valid to counter what I wrote.

    Like I said, Krishna likes every soul as an expansion of Himself so much that He provides whatever reality they want, so enjoy your Brahman light. No one is trying to hurt you in any way. Go with what you feel, God does not hate you for it, and provides every facility for you to enjoy yourself as much as you can conceive of and vastly more in the Brahman light.

    I don’t really think that I ever offered you an ‘argument’ by the way. Sad to see that you thought I was ‘arguing’ rather than proposing a gentle conversation. I was merely trying to clue you up a bit more on how to maximize your spiritual self-cognizance as love, joy and beauty even more, not to do you down.

    “In the Kali Yuga – “People prefer false ideas.” Hmmm

  6. “In the Kali Yuga – People prefer false ideas. Hmmm”

    :o)

    I was hoping you would take the *bait*!
    Honest, meant in jest… as I knew you would turn it.
    I posted the Symptoms of the Kali Yuga link more for curious readers.

    I did not want or hope to change your views.
    Srila Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada believers are…

    I offered mine in the original article.
    Namaste!

    For those readers who might be interested, my own commentary on the Bhagavad Gita:

    The Bhagavad Gita:
    An evolving loving commentary by V. S. Ferguson
    Index:
    http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/gita/index.htm

  7. We are here for a vacation from boundless unfettered Infinitude – to enjoy the intriguingly curious experience of Limitation in a polarity universe.

    Everything we do, and all we have ever done throughout unending Cycles of Time, serves the one sole purpose of leading us to God-Consciousness. Whatever we create in the temporal illusory hologram inevitably inexorably crumbles and dissolves.

    Offer everything you do, say, think and feel to the God-within.
    It belongs to the God-within anyway.
    There is only The One.

    We meet in the Heart,
    Susan

    http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/msgfmsusan.htm

    “This whole universe has come into existence just to carry you to God consciousness.”
    – Swami Lakshmanjoo, The Shiva Sutras

    • mothman777@gmail.com says:

      At least you can see far enough to understand that the Brahman state is ultimately unsatisfactory and does not allow a soul to reach it’s true potential for happiness, hence your need to take a vacation from it.

      And the notion that one soul needs to take a vacation from itself and splits into many to rediscover itself does not really add up for me, especially when many souls incarnate as tapeworms and disease-bearing blood-sucking mosquitoes for instance, whilst others blow the heck out of each other in needless wars.

      The fact that just about all species, besides plankton perhaps, predate upon each other in order to survive on this planet in their mistaken self-identity with the outer physical covering of their true souls, is hardly a real vacation though. There are a number of other processes going on at the same time, but ultimately, as you quote, the entire universe is created solely to bring us back to God, as we are indeed all expansions of Him in one understanding or another, and at least our philosophies do not require any more than peaceful discussions on this issue, unlike the false Abrahamic religions of Kali Yuga, with their needless demonic threats of inflicting eternal hell or eternal death of the soul upon each other and all others.

      Enjoy your meetings with God in the heart, in whatever form you wish to know that Being.

  8. The Sanskrit word *brahman* literally means the ever expanding Fullness.
    All the gods are simply personifications of metaphysical principles. There are no gods, except as projected holograms of our own imagination. The gods were created by enlightened Seers to impart primordial metaphysical wisdom as humanity lost the capacity to understand the eternal traditional metaphysics. The gods in the early Vedas and the Puranas are what we today call extra-terrestrials, the colonizers of planet Earth. These texts describe off-world civilizations, what the Buddhists call “The Myriad Worlds”:

    Colony Earth – Part X: The Myriad Worlds

    Buddhist cosmology speaks of the existence of the Myriad Worlds. A fascinating translation of the work of a nineteenth-century Tibetan scholar reveals an enlightening perspective on the vast number of the Myriad Worlds.

    “These worlds suffuse the ten directions; millions of worlds interpenetrate one another, and each world contains billions of others. Billions more are contained within each atom of each world.” [Quotes are from the Introduction by the translators, The Treasury of Knowledge, Book One: Myriad Worlds, Jamgon Kongtrul Lodro Taye.]

    Awareness of the sheer scope and number of the Myriad Worlds is said to be suitable knowledge for those who have reached a certain spiritual maturity, and who are ready for the higher understanding of a larger system of cosmology.

    “As a result, the mind breaks out of the cage of fixed concepts of definite space and existence and enters the open space of myriad worlds without beginning or end…”

    http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/colony_earth/CE-10.htm

    Krishna is a wonderful character made up by the enlightened master and genius poet writer of the Mahabharata, Krishna Dvaipayana Vyasa. The character is said to be based on a famous – at the time – warrior, a black man, in South India.

    http://www.metaphysicalmusing.com/articles/betray2.htm

    I experienced “Being” the Oneness more than 40 years ago. The Sanskrit texts helped me to understand these ongoing experiences, which I am still enjoying. My ‘Knowing’ we are all the One is experiential. Arguments and words are useless in the face of actual experience that forever alters the consciousness. As Lao Tzu has correctly said, “Existence is ultimately beyond the power of words to describe.”

    • mothman777@gmail.com says:

      Thankyou for your further most interesting comment. I have to add here, though, as you say “I experienced “Being” the Oneness more than 40 years ago. The Sanskrit texts helped me to understand these ongoing experiences, which I am still enjoying. My ‘Knowing’ we are all the One is experiential. Arguments and words are useless in the face of actual experience that forever alters the consciousness. As Lao Tzu has correctly said, “Existence is ultimately beyond the power of words to describe.”; that I also have had my experiences, and still do, and have experienced the presence of Krishna, Jagannatha, Subhadra, Baladeva, about 35 years ago after practicing the siddhi ‘to see the heavenly beings’ from the Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali.

      At that time, I had never seen any pictures of Krishna in any of His forms, and was in fact an agnostic at the time, from a C of E background, but was practicing an advanced form of TM under the instruction of a Maharishi Mahesh Yogi’s teachers, so when these forms manifest before me, as pure, loving transcendental consciousness, love, manifest as wonderfully articulate transcendental intelligence, bliss, and extreme beauty, sounding like Indian musical instruments, with flowers continually blossoming all over their forms, their forms and paraphernalia spanning the entire room that I was meditating in, I had no idea what I was experiencing, other than that the beings were very much alive, and these forms could not have been the projection of my own mind, as I had never seen them before, and they were so incredibly detailed, and continually moving, with garlands of living flowers blossoming and flowing around the forms of Jagannatha, Baladeva and Subhadra, connecting them all together, with Jagannatha having a tassel attached to his nostril that undulated as it sounded like a shenai instrument. All these forms were not 2 dimensional, or flat, or appearing in my own mind, behind my eyelids, but actually ‘three dimensional’ as human forms are (and far more than that) and fully manifest with me just as if they were other people with me, and Krishna stood the same height as me after I had completed meditation and stood up also to study Him more, and as I looked at His two-armed form, totally covered in continually blossoming flowers, my consciousness was totally drawn inside His eyes, as if all my being was sucked right inside His eye sockets, and whilst there, I could see only the vastness of infinitude, before I was propelled back out, immediately followed/accompanied by trumpeting rings of blossoming flowers coming out of each eye, each ring of flowers being progressively larger than the last, there being three rings in all coming out of each eye.

      Only several years later did I come across pictures of Krishna in the forms of Jagannatha, Subhadra and Baladeva, and Krishna and realized some substantial additional meaning to what I had experienced some years ago.

      Just because you have not seen Krishna yourself does not mean He is not real, or that no one else can see Him. You have your given percept, and I have mine.

  9. Please, restrain from mixing the precious “Pearls” with very low level vibrations. Have dignity and RESPECT please! If you can experience, feel, understand the primordial Sound, it is all you need…attention, concentration, dedication, Silence.The depth of Sanskrit cannot be translated into our materialist language.

    • mothman777@gmail.com says:

      To keep spiritual knowledge secret does not help others achieve their spiritual dignity. In Vaikuntha, the pleasure of the Sukhis, or maidservants of Radharani, is to assist Radharani enjoy Her relationship with Krishna ever more deeply, and in doing that, out of natural affection, their own spiritual self-cognizance and pleasure increases also. So it must be with us, wherever possible. In helping to share with others, so that they too can come to experience the presence of Krishna, in whatever limited way we can, as by doing so we help the whole spiritual community ultimately, and maximize the pleasure for all.

      Sanskrit is a ‘living’ language I agree, whose entity is Krishna Himself, fully revealed on the Vaikuntha plane, as Krishna is both the substance and the medium of all intercommunication between souls, being the totality of distance between them, carrying the vibrational communication of all others to the intended recipients through His own Self, as an additional vibration to His own.

      How would you propose encouraging and facilitating development of consciousness of our original and eternal transcendental spiritual natures? The natural spiritual pleasure of the soul is in helping others to rejoin their communal Higher Self and Lord God, so that they too can know themselves to their fullest potential in His/Her light.

      I still think that there is a purpose for verbal and written intercommunication, though I know that the Supreme Person is quite capable of encouraging and facilitating self-inquiry and introducing Himself/Herself to the inquiring soul without any human guru, as many on the path of avadhuta have experienced. But still, words from another human being with some degree of spiritual realization can help to speed up the process for others nonetheless.

      To discuss different philosophical views in debate is never a bad thing, and can do no harm, and can invite others to consider further possibilities. Lord Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is recorded 500 years ago as debating Vaishnava philosophy with all other schools of philosophy present in the parts of India where He travelled at that time, and Muslims and advaitists of various kinds joined Him after lengthy discussions of philosophy, even gurus and their entire schools would adopt the Vaishnava philosophy of achintya bheda bheda tattva whenever their gurus conceded that the philosophy propounded by Krishna is better.

      As well as being the noblest of all souls, Krishna is so humble to be the very ground upon which we walk, both in the Vaikuntha world and in this material world in His translated unrevealed form as maya, so it behooves us to also be humble and serve the spiritual interests of others by doing something whenever we can, once we know the truth. And what can we do? At least we have been given brains and the ability to write and to speak, so some degree of knowledge can be transmitted through the medium of sound or writing and can certainly help to encourage people to look further, leading to that ultimate personal living experience, and it can be given in any language, though ultimately, Sanskrit is the language spoken in the Vaikuntha spiritual planets.

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