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Near Death Experiences – Where Science Can’t Go, Mystics Can

Belsebuub, Guest Writer
Waking Times

The largest study in the world on NDEs to date is currently underway. It is a three year study, with one year to go. It’s taking place in the UK and US, and is studying cardiac arrest patients to see if those who are clinically dead can have out-of-body experiences.

In the study, images are placed where they can only be seen from above, and patients are asked whether they saw those images if they revive after being clinically dead.

Many hope that this study will increase the knowledge of the process of death, but to those who practice the spiritual and esoteric teachings here, it will tell very little. It’s still going to leave personal experience and experimentation as the most effective way to gain knowledge of death.

It’s difficult for science to tackle anything of a supernatural or spiritual nature, so look carefully at how the conclusions follow from the study.

The head of the study says: “If you can demonstrate that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.”

What is the world’s largest NDE study actually going to show?

There have been a huge number of NDE cases reported under medical supervision already. What this seems to do is to study what people see when they have one and then tries to determine the objectivity of that sight in order to determine the “reality” of NDEs.

It’s already known through a huge number of accounts that patients demonstrate consciousness when the brain switches off. So if subjects see anything lucidly in those study conditions while “dead,” then that in itself is a demonstration of the separation of consciousness. By placing pictures for patients to see, this study is testing whether patients see the pictures – not whether they “see” at all, which is a different thing altogether.

The head of the study then goes on to say: “It is unlikely that we will find many cases where this happens, but we have to be open-minded.”

True, it is unlikely (but just possible) that when having died, being out of the body and going through that profound experience of death, that people will find the study’s pictures.

He also says: “And if no one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are illusions or false memories.”

It doesn’t show that. This as a major flaw in the experiment; why is seeing those pictures a demonstration of consciousness, but seeing anything else after the brain switches off is not? If no one sees the pictures, then that in itself is not enough to conclude that the experiences are illusions. It would only show that in those times where NDEs were subjected to that study, patients did not see the pictures. There could be many reasons why they didn’t see them, even en masse.

It also appears that such a conclusion would discount all the NDE accounts up until this time, which have clearly described events happening to people while “dead” that could only have been described had the subjects been out of their bodies.

Understanding most of the reasons why patients wouldn’t see the pictures during an NDE would require knowledge of what’s on the other side, yet there is a lack of scientific means to explore it. Taking purely physical evidence, the very fact of consciousness existing with lucidity when the body is “dead” demonstrates that there is more going on than a simple “if you don’t see the pictures it’s not real” conclusion can account for.

NDEs from a spiritual point of view

Ascent of the Blessed by Hieronymus Bosch (1490)

Ascent of the Blessed by Hieronymus Bosch (1490)

There are laws and other phenomena happening in the dimension where NDEs occur, and those laws and other life forms influence what the individual perceives in an out-of-body or near-death experience. If you study different accounts of people’s experiences when they have an NDE, you’ll see that they tend to follow the same or similar patterns, irrespective of age or culture.

In some religions there are accounts of personal experience of NDEs by mystics, sages, and the like. These have usually arisen from dream or out-of-body experiences. In the past, these kinds of experiences been the way for people to understand and know about these things, and we today are using essentially the same or similar methods. These methods are not provable using current scientific methodology or techniques, because there is no scientific way of exploring what a person is actually experiencing, but that doesn’t mean these mystical methods don’t work.

The limitations of science in exploring personal experience

Scientific methods study just the response of the NDE experience upon the physical body and the account of the individual. It is because the accounts have happened in the absence of any signs of life in the physical body that some in medical science take NDEs seriously. But that doesn’t change the experience, and it’s the personal experience that ultimately each single person has to stand by and call “living.” This life experience is most valid to the individual, and humanity is made up of individuals.

There are limitations in science’s ability to understand reality. No one would suggest that science is capable at this time of answering many of the deepest questions of life and human existence and so simply to draw conclusions that things are not real just because they are not provable by science with today’s technology is a mistake. These teachings offer an alternative approach: they offer the opportunity to have out-of-body experiences with age-old methods and techniques, and to explore from personal experience. What is a life after all apart from individual experience? And how much is able to be perceived of what is real with the five senses?

Because science cannot reliably prove whether out-of-body experiences are real or not, that doesn’t rule out the logical view that they are. If you’ve had a really clear OBE, where you’ve seen things no dream could show you, you’ll know they are real.

There has been very little research done into the field of out-of-body experiences (some with mixed results), and this latest research into near-death experiences adds to a small catalog.  Near-death experiences indicate that consciousness exists outside of the body, so logically there is no reason why consciousness couldn’t also exist out-of-the-body while the body is not in a near-death state but in a normal state. When you travel out of your body you can know it is happening very clearly.

In the absence of science being able to fundamentally prove or disprove out-of-body experiences and near-death experiences, it’s left for the individual to experience them for themselves personally and to follow their own course of exploration by actually having out-of-body experiences.

We go into the realm of the spiritual when we go out of the body. Because of the spiritual nature of what is out of the body and its laws, to subject ourselves to the tests of science would be to demean the spiritual and acknowledge science as the authority, when it is science that should be looking to the spiritual for its guidance.

Why out-of-body experiences are the best way to study near-death experiences

You can never really know a non-physical experience through the accounts of other people’s experiences, nor through the study of physical phenomena. Science doesn’t have the means to explore other non-physical dimensions nor the spiritual. Therefore OBEs, NDEs, non-physical dimensions (above the fourth), and spirituality itself, can only really be explored and known through personal experience.

This is a reason why it’s so valuable to explore within, to have OBEs and to explore life outside the body. For a person who does this, it becomes quite irrelevant whether there is scientific proof for the existence of OBEs and NDEs or not. What matters more is how they live their life in relation to what they discover and what they can do with what they find.

About the Author

Belsebuub is an author and practitioner of esoteric knowledge. He writes primarily on the transformation and exploration of consciousness from over 30 years of dedicated metaphysical experience. He has authored a number of books on out-of-body experiences, consciousness, and spiritual awakening, including The Astral Codex and Gazing into the Eternal, which are free to download on his website www.belsebuub.com

Belsebuub is the name of his spirit/soul/consciousness. Everyone has their own unique spiritual name; it’s a matter of knowing it.

This article is offered under Creative Commons license. It’s okay to republish it anywhere as long as attribution bio is included and all links remain intact.

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16 Comments on "Near Death Experiences – Where Science Can’t Go, Mystics Can"

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  1. Al Smith says:

    Why would the author give himself one of the names of Satan?

    • Clyde W, Burnham, Ph.D. says:

      It’s quite possible that his name-choice reflects his disgust and disdain for the closed-minded redneck attitudes of society — its dislike for learning of new things that deny validity/truth to their home-spun values.

    • sarahjean says:

      That’s a good question, but to find the real answer I think you would need to try practising the techniques of mysticism that he teaches. I can tell you from first hand experience it is life-changing and utterly amazing. You can learn about things that are ‘unseen’ by mainstream science and outside of ordinary experience, but that are no less real and meaningful to you. All you have to learn are the methods and apply them yourself, there are no beliefs involved!

  2. abinico warez says:

    It’s difficult for science to tackle anything of a supernatural or spiritual nature – NO! It is impossible.

    • Winyan Staz Wakien says:

      200 years ago you would have been burned at the stake as a witch for having a computer..or tv..or radio…etc.
      Just because science cannot explain it all YET..doesnt mean it never will be able to.
      The Art of Arts is a science. It has rules etc..and it the science of consciousness.
      Science is slowly catching up to the mystics…

  3. Adam Evenson says:

    A good question, Al. With a bit of sooth scrying, it might be seen to mean that he/she is not a Chrisian or at least is not impressed with any ordinary conception of God, which, of course, is his/her prerogative. At very least, the name might give him/her a tough time garnering a Christian following. Then again, in this day, Christians may like him for “being honest.”

  4. RTBASS28 says:

    THIS IS A WASTE OF FUNDS! OBOY! PUT A SERIES OF PICTURES POINTED UPWARDS AS A MATTER OF PROOF?? WHAT A GROUP OF FKIN RETARDS! THIS IS EQUIVALENT TO A GROUP STUDY OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF WHIFFLE BALLS AS A BATTLEFIELD OPTION IN THE RAMP UP TO WORLD WAR 2! TOTALLY INADEQUATE AND ABSURD! THE EVIDENCE IS INCONTRAVERTIBLE! DO A BIT OF RESEARCH ON NDERF.COM. THESE ARE UNSOLICITED CONTRIBUTIONS OF NDE’S FROM ACROSS THE GLOBE- AND THEY SPELL A VERY CLEAR PICTURE ACROSS ALL DEMOGRAPHIC AND RELIGIOUS BOUNDARIES. THE STUDY CITED IN THIS ARTICLE WAS CREATED BY A BUNCH OF FKIN IDIOTS THAT WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND. i HAVE A VERY HARD TIME EXHIBITING CHRISTIAN TOLERANCE TO SUCH EVIL INDIVIDUALS…THESE ARE THE SAME LOT THAT WILL SELL YOU BANDAIDS FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE BUT WILL NEVER ATTEMPT TO ACTUALLY CURE YOU, SHAME ON THEM. THE POINTY END OF A SPEAR OVER THEIR OWN PERSONAL HELLFIRE IS ALL THEY HAVE WAITING IN THE END…

  5. Rene' Descartes says:

    Approximately 2% of the population of the world have had an experience defined as a “Near-Death Experience” (NDE). They actually died on the operating tables or in car accidents or wherever, and were later resuscitated or came back to life one way or another and told of their experiences. A NDE is the experience of dying (when one’s heart beat stops) or coming close to death (when one falls into a coma); the subject is not well known because people are afraid of death and do not like to speak about it, yet NDEs are real, and tell us about life after death as well as about life itself. During many NDE experiences fascinating and extremely interesting elements occur, however, not all of the people that were either clinically dead or in a coma will have had the same experience, and no one knows why.
    This phenomenon is probably the most mysterious thing someone can experience, since it is literally the experience of dying. These people have actually had a glimpse of what happens after we die. The fascinating thing about this is that the elements of parts of these people’s experiences are similar and correspond. There is no one experience that has an element that is not found twice, however, there are no two experiences that is exactly the same, but every experience is unique.
    The astonishing thing about this is that the people that recount these experiences are not always from the same race, or social, or religious or material background, but are often from totally different cultures. Someone coming from the United States, someone from Africa, and someone from India or some Eskimo will recount the same basic elements that are usually found in each of their NDEs. However, the explanation of various people depends upon their cultural and ethnic background, their religious vocabulary, and the way they were confronted with death. NDE experiences are probably the most realistic proof that life after death exists. Isn’t it about time humanity get to know what really happen when we die? I think and I am.
    Compiled
    I am
    Rene’

  6. Paddy says:

    Science has studied the topic of life-after-death since around 1870 and has proven beyond any doubt that we all survive death.
    Famous scientists Sir Wlliam Crookes was satisfied that we survive. Sir Oliver Lodge was satisfied.
    There have been many others who have researched for decades and concluded that we survive.

    The church has tried to cover-up much of the information. The church bans books such as The Curse Of Ignorance by Arthur Findlay.
    Today there is a wealth of information online at victorzammit dot com.
    In the UK there is the Campaign For Philosophical Freedom run by Michael Roll.

    Scientists are afraid of the truth because it shows that their Newtonian physics has serious flaws.

    • Angela says:

      There is also information out there that points to science covering up things that would give some legitimacy to some of the information contained in sacred and mystical texts. The affect is to strip us of access to knowledge that has the ability to empower us as individuals.

      For example, there is evidence to suggest that the giants mentioned in the Bible did really exist but that there has been a widespread cover up, as the skeletal remains of large numbers of documented discoveries of giant skeletons throughout the United States have gone missing. What were the reasons for hiding this? Was is it for political or social reasons, or did they prefer that society see the writings of sacred texts as myth rather than having any kind of factual basis?

      What about the denial of the legitimacy of NDEs as a very real experience of consciousness out of the body – is that because there is an agenda that wants to suppress the notion that any individual could access divinity and find out what is really important in life through OBEs?

      This scientific paradigm then becomes the school curriculum and the population stays within a program that suits the powerful and the status quo.

  7. Clyde W, Burnham, Ph.D. says:

    The present technologies employed by science to understand reality are those whose limits end at the border of physical reality with other realities. They do not/cannot exceed that border solely because they are comprised of matter which cannot be projected above and beyond its border limitations. Does that guarantee that other realities do not exist. Hell no. That’s the same sort of trash-logic man once accepted regarding other lands beyond his sight . . . until he learned it was round. All that is, is limited to the border of its physical nature . . . until, however, we develop the means to exceed that border.

  8. Anonymous says:

    ALREADY DONE and PROVEN TRUE! Images/numbers/symbols placed on top of cabinets etc in hospitals were seen and documented by authors, usually medicos. Google it. check the NDE sites. investigate some books of the more credible authors… Its enlightening and releasing… just reading it can help reduce your anxiety. It also not anti-christian

    http://www.near-death.com/
    http://www.lifebeyonddeath.net/

  9. Mr Anonymous Bean says:

    ALREADY DONE and PROVEN TRUE!

    Images/numbers/symbols placed on top of cabinets etc in hospitals were seen and documented by authors, usually medicos. Google it. check the NDE sites. investigate some books of the more credible authors… Its enlightening and releasing… just reading it can help reduce your anxiety. NDE’s are documented back to many ancient cultures

    “book entitled Republic. Plato discusses the story of Er, a soldier who awoke on his funeral pyre and described his journey into the afterlife. But this story is not just a random anecdote for Plato.?”

    stop crusing porn for a few minutes and learn something you’ll need to steady you through our tough life here on earth

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence12.html
    http://www.lifebeyonddeath.net/

  10. Mr Anonymous Bean says:

    nice name beelzbub… as said earlier by commentors, I dont understand what effect you’re trying to achieve by using that name. isnt that another name for satan by us christians. I dont even want to go to your website quite honestly

    as an add-on to my earlier post, unfortunately you’ll find people mixing new age crap with some of this so approach it from particular faiths perspective to fend off the endless braches they’ll try to lead you on

    • Angela says:

      Just as science can have its rigid paradigms, norms and ways of thinking, so too can religion. Someone can hold a belief in a scientific point of view, just as much as someone can hold a religious belief. Dogma is dogma, no matter where it is.

      What often comes out in NDEs is that what is important is not so much the beliefs an individual held in life, but their own personal experience, how they experienced life and behaved.

      But there is no reason to wait for the end of life to find this out; human beings have the innate ability to experience the multi-dimensional side of life by having OBEs for example, and using it for higher learning and understanding now.

  11. Winyan Staz Wakien says:

    I think if people would actually ask a real astral projector/Lucid Dreamer/Shaman/Medicineperson/Mystic/Spiritualist/ put your favorite label here*…about the inner-planes.. they would find out the truth of things.
    We do exist you know… :)

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